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#98139 - 05/17/08 07:07 AM Campaign 2.0
Doug Jones
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The Amazing Money Machine.

A fascinating look at how the Obama campaign became the juggernaut it did.

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Obama’s campaign is admired by insiders of both parties for its functional beauty—not just admired but gawked at, like some futuristic concept car leaking rocket vapor at an auto show. Obama’s campaign has made a similar leap in how it has applied technology to the practices of raising money and organizing, and it is already the clear model for everyone else.


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In a sense, Obama represents a triumph of campaign-finance reform. He has not, of course, gotten the money out of politics, as many proponents of reform may have wished, and he will likely forgo public financing if he becomes the nominee. But he has realized the reformers’ other big goal of ending the system whereby a handful of rich donors control the political process. He has done this not by limiting money but by adding much, much more of it—democratizing the system by flooding it with so many new contributors that their combined effect dilutes the old guard to the point that it scarcely poses any threat. Goren­berg says he’s still often asked who the biggest fund-raisers are. He replies that it is no longer possible to tell. “Any one of them could wind up being huge,” he says, “because it no longer matters how big a check you can write; it matters how motivated you are to reach out to others.”

There is some irony in the fact that the architect of the most recent campaign-finance law also happens to be the Republican presidential nominee. John McCain likely views all that has happened with considerable trepidation. Contrary to the widespread assumption at the time the McCain-Feingold Act became law (The Atlantic published an article on the legislation titled “The Democratic Party Suicide Bill”), it has not hurt the Democratic Party. Neither has it clearly benefited Republicans; McCain in particular has little to show for it. He raised $15 million in March, only $4 million of it over the Internet. His small-donor base is virtually nonexistent. When challenged about his staunch support for the Iraq War, McCain likes to say that he’d be willing to sacrifice the White House for principle. Nobody asks about campaign-finance reform. But that, and not Iraq, may wind up being the principled stand that does him in.


It won't be this time around, but it'll be interesting to see which Republicans can use this model in 2012.
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#98142 - 05/17/08 10:24 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: Doug Jones]
Kimmbberr
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Registered: 10/04/99
Posts: 1842
Loc: Corvallis, Oregon
Doug,

Do you think Obama's "bitter" speech will be his downfall in November? That horrible Karl Rowe is all over the "Internets" ranting and raving about it. And, what about Michelle's reference to "never being so proud of America" speech. Do you think that is a downfall too? Should that refocus our attention on Hillary as being a better candidate and more electable?

I come from the Midwest where these kind of things said can be your downfall. Funny, living on the west coast folks blew it off as hysterical talk (by the GOP). But I don't think you can win the election without Ohio, PA, Kentucky, WV and that is where this kind of thing can turn a vote...at least with some folks.
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#98146 - 05/17/08 10:50 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: Kimmbberr]
bobbcat
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Kim, evidence abounds that Obama has surrounded himself over the course of years with people who, let's just say, are not all that crazy about this country, leading many to wonder just what all he really thinks of the country. Might be useful too for you to take a look at info on Jeremiah Wright's Trumpet Newsmagazine. I think that Obama's ties to black liberation theology have planted seeds of doubt about him in the minds of many people.
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#98148 - 05/17/08 11:24 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
Kimmbberr
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bobbcat, I do find it worrisome, if I may be truthful.

I also am old enough to realize that just because you are president, it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, no matter how inspiring your speeches are.

I know that just like during the Great Depression, these past few years have made a lot of folks run to the far left or the far right because we are scared for our families, our way of life and our livelihood and we want a leader to promise it can be changed. Saying that we are bitter is not an untruth. Saying that we are clinging to the things that we hold dear is not an untruth. I just am a bit uneasy about the way it was said:

http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/obamaatgetty.mp3 (sound is a bit rough).
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#98151 - 05/17/08 11:52 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
George Heymont
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Originally Posted By: bobbcat
Kim, evidence abounds that Obama has surrounded himself over the course of years with people who, let's just say, are not all that crazy about this country, leading many to wonder just what all he really thinks of the country.


George W. Bush has surrounded himself over the years with liars, crooks, and thugs who hate government and want to "shrink it to a size where they can drown it in a bathtub." Together, they have shredded the Constitution, ruined the Bill of Rights, launched illegal wars, put us heavily in debt while favoring corporate donors, and cost us our standing in the world community.

Your point is?


Edited by George Heymont (05/17/08 11:58 AM)
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#98152 - 05/17/08 11:54 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
Kimmbberr
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Yes, well there is Dick "duck and cover" Cheney.
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#98153 - 05/17/08 01:26 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
ahvasquez
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Registered: 02/07/03
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Loc: Texas
Honestly, I believe Bush and Cheney have looked at this country as their personal gold mine, to plunder and loot at will. Obama doesn't frighten me a bit, especially after 8 years of what we've had.
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#98161 - 05/17/08 02:51 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
bobbcat
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Bush wants to 'shrink it to a size where....' Are you kidding? He implemented perhaps the largest gov't handout since LBJ's 'great society' legislation in the form of the Medicare drug bill. Do tell me just how he has 'shredded the Constitution, Bill of Rights' in any form that differs from that of Congress. The 'illegal wars' you speak about got the sanctions of Congress.

Your anti-Bush rhetoric rings hollow. Meantime, the observations I have made about Obama are spot on. Nice try at deflection......
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Honestly, I believe Bush and Cheney have looked at this country as their personal gold mine, to plunder and loot at will.
What have they 'plundered' and 'looted'? This is evidence of just how adept the MSM is at manipulating public opinion to suit its agenda.
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#98166 - 05/17/08 04:47 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
Bellatrix
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Registered: 02/26/06
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Wellll, I have never given a dime to any candidate, but guess what? I am one of the small donors to Obama. They got it from me in a very creative and fun way. Give money to Barak and your name goes into a drawing to have dinner with him and 9 other people. We will fly you there, you will have dinner and we will fly you home. Not give me $3000 and you can sit in a room with 500 other people and look at me.(My dad was an oil man and we got those white house invites all the time.) So, I gave him some money. I did not get my name drawn, but I know who did and what their stories are. I don't care that I did not get picked, I just applaud the creativity. Evidently they were buried under small donations.

And by the way everybody I know is not all that crazy about this country right now. That is republicans and democrats alike. Circling the drain is an expression I hear quite often. It has gone from being amazed and somewhat amused at Bush's stupidity to embarassment to downright fear for the next thing we will be dragged into.

Yes we can! Obama in 2008

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#98168 - 05/17/08 05:01 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
ahvasquez
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Registered: 02/07/03
Posts: 322
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: bobbcat
What have they 'plundered' and 'looted'? This is evidence of just how adept the MSM is at manipulating public opinion to suit its agenda.

Think about Halliburton and big oil. Think about some of the measures enacted under the name of homeland security. Think about contracts being handed out to cronies without bids.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the MSM's agenda is?
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#98176 - 05/17/08 05:42 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
Doug Jones
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I think if the Republicans want to keep up the "guilt by association" run, they're going to have to face a lot of the questionable associations that their candidate has accumulated, some fairly recently. Hagee, Parsley, for example - and he's stated that he "welcomes" their endorsements, instead of distancing themselves. Listening to either one of them makes Wright seem downright normal. Let's also not forget his campaign staff, some of whom seem to have some issues with their clients, along with threatening to (literally) throw reporters under the bus.

Right now, this is starting to rumble on the blogs, but so far the media has been more interested in the Democratic campaign. That's going to change, and I think that McCain is going to have to answer a lot of very uncomfortable questions. That's in addition to the massive flip-flopping he's done over the past couple of years. The McCain of 2000 is a totally different candidate than the McCain of today.
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#98186 - 05/17/08 07:03 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: Doug Jones]
George Heymont
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The important thing here is to go back and read the article in the Atlantic that Doug linked to. That points out how Obama's campaign has been engineered to develop a new and vastly more efficient model of fundraising and vote getting. I think the general election will be astonishing and mark the end of old-style politics based on key donors.

AS for McCain getting a free ride? Don't think that for a minute. The media has been milking Hillary for all the conflict she can provide. Once Obama cinches the nomination they're going to need another source of conflict and it's going to be Mud Wrestling with Grandpa.

Don't forget that Obama has two painfully obvious advantages: he is more likeable and much more photogenic than McCain. That goes a long way in today's sales market.
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#98191 - 05/17/08 07:28 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: ahvasquez]
bobbcat
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Think about Halliburton and big oil.
Very controversial. The nature of who has most of the oil versus who does not has governed just how much the US and other countries are forced to deal with despots and crooked gov'ts. I resent the fact that there are forces strong enough in this country to keep it from doing the necessary things to become energy independent. One thing that is not Bush and Co.'s fault.
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Think about some of the measures enacted under the name of homeland security. Think about contracts being handed out to cronies without bids.
These sorts of things tend to go on in most, if not all, administrations. Such is the nature of politics.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you think the MSM's agenda is?
For many of them, it is to promote the interests of the left and undermine those of the right, basically.
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#98198 - 05/17/08 09:18 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
George Heymont
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"Quote:
Just out of curiosity, what do you think the MSM's agenda is?
For many of them, it is to promote the interests of the left and undermine those of the right, basically."

Other than regurgitating a talking point, your proof is?
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#98200 - 05/17/08 10:21 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
bobbcat
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Other than regurgitating a talking point, your proof is?
As an avid reader, is that query really necessary? You know damn well that the majority of journalists out there are libs. Quit playing games.
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#98203 - 05/18/08 02:23 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
whorn
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Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 517
Regarding associations, one that is certain to be brought up is Senator John McCain's involvement in the Keating Five scandal, which cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

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#98204 - 05/18/08 02:47 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: whorn]
George Heymont
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Registered: 05/04/99
Posts: 4486
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"As an avid reader, is that query really necessary? You know damn well that the majority of journalists out there are libs. Quit playing games."

I'm not playing any games. The past eight years have seen a tremendous corporate consolidation in media with acute vertical integration for advertising purposes. The Bush administration has managed to manipulate the news cycles through a proven pattern of leaking to Drudge, Faux News, and on to the echo machine. The administration has also taken to filming supposed "news" pieces that are in fact infomercials backing its policies that have been passed on to right-wing media and aired with little if any journalistic factchecking. Let's not forget those so-called journalists who were paid scads of money to write op-ed pieces favoring the administration's policies or right-wing media whores like Jeff Gannon. Judith Miller was in cahoots with the administration; most media were "embedded" in Iraq. The Pentagon had a major paid propaganda machine that was just exposed. Rupert Murdoch has purchased the Wall Street Journal and tried to purchase Newsday. Liberal voices at the Los Angeles Times were let go as "cost-cutting measures." William Kristol was hired as a columnist by the New York Times. Karl Rove is now a pundit on Fox News.

Maybe you need to put down the Kool-Aid and take a closer look at the journalistic landscape instead of just parroting old talking points. You might also watch the video of Chris Matthews trying to get right-wing radio host Kevin James of Los Angeles to explain what he meant by "appeasement." Matthews finally got so frustrated that he pointed out that Mr. James didn't have the slightest historical idea of what he was talking about.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


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#98212 - 05/18/08 09:09 AM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
bobbcat
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Maybe you need to put down the Kool-Aid and take a closer look at the journalistic landscape instead of just parroting old talking points.
Whatever. This is what I am talking about.

Whorn, I found this to be noteworthy, from your link above:
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The Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn's and McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal.[5] The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."
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#98224 - 05/18/08 02:00 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: George Heymont]
ahvasquez
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Registered: 02/07/03
Posts: 322
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: George Heymont
You might also watch the video of Chris Matthews trying to get right-wing radio host Kevin James of Los Angeles to explain what he meant by "appeasement." Matthews finally got so frustrated that he pointed out that Mr. James didn't have the slightest historical idea of what he was talking about.

OMG, that had to be the funniest thing I've seen on any news station in a long, long time!!! What a dingbat that guy was!!
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#98226 - 05/18/08 02:04 PM Re: Campaign 2.0 [Re: bobbcat]
ahvasquez
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Registered: 02/07/03
Posts: 322
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Originally Posted By: bobbcat
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Maybe you need to put down the Kool-Aid and take a closer look at the journalistic landscape instead of just parroting old talking points.
Whatever. This is what I am talking about.

It's awfully hard to take this subject matter seriously from this website when the title of the forum is "NewsBusters: Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias". I'm guessing they've got their own bias there.
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