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#97786 - 05/13/08 10:20 AM Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama
Softail
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For those of you who are in denial that racism exists in America:
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"Hang that darky from a tree!"
That should put a smile on the face of the right wing.

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#97788 - 05/13/08 10:27 AM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
tropsicleAfter
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Well, of course racism is alive in America, and in every other country of the world.

What, you expect that it will disappear?

I don't condone it, but thinking it should just 'go away' is foolish. This is the real world, not the world of the sweet and light brigade.
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#97790 - 05/13/08 10:55 AM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
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The campaign released this statement in response to questions about encounters with racism: "After campaigning for 15 months in nearly all 50 states, Barack Obama and our entire campaign have been nothing but impressed and encouraged by the core decency, kindness, and generosity of Americans from all walks of life. The last year has only reinforced Senator Obama's view that this country is not as divided as our politics suggest."


I'm curious, Softail, what are you saying? All right wingers are racists, or all racists are right wingers?

You would be completely wrong either way, but I'm interested in knowing which brush you are painting us with.

Racism is wrong. I'm sorry that it exists and I do what I can to make sure my children don't see color when they look at a person. But Trops is exactly right; it occurs in every corner of the globe and isn't going to magically disappear.
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#97791 - 05/13/08 11:33 AM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: mtag]
Softail
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I'm curious, Softail, what are you saying? All right wingers are racists, or all racists are right wingers?
Not saying that at all. If I wanted to say that, I would have stated that directly.

The only implication was in regard to a previous post where someone had stated that blacks hung in trees have been "pushing up daisies now for generations." It appears that there are still Americans out there who think along these terms. The implication that our country has rid itself of racism is naive. Sure, we've come a long way, but I truly believe folks just aren't as directly vocal about their racism. Instead, they hide behind other ways to hang Obama by dwelling on frivolous crap like we've seen for the past few months.

Yet, now, when we are in "danger" of electing a black president, we are getting bolder by making statements such as, "hang that darky by a tree."

Obviously, not all conservatives are racists no more than all liberals or independents are racists. However, conservatives may find some comfort in yet just one more thing that will keep Obama out of office.
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#97794 - 05/13/08 11:47 AM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
tropsicleAfter
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There are a whole LOT of democrats that don't want him in the office either. In fact, the numbers are so close to half that, despite all the pundits and Obamaphites, the race is not over yet.

Mr Obama and his supporters have played the ageism card almost as much as they have played the race card. If one wants to find evidence of backward thinking in this arena, one needs only to look at the Obama staff.
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#97806 - 05/13/08 01:18 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: tropsicleAfter]
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...the race is not over yet.

Uh, it's all but over. According to that silly little thing called "math," it's time for the Lady in the Pantsuit to stop rewriting the game rules and getting all mussed up trying to move the goalposts. It's not "if" but "when" and "how" she can exit gracefully (and still get some of her money back.)


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Tue May 13, 1:31 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's wave of superdelegate endorsements puts him within reach of the Democratic presidential nomination by the end of the primary season on June 3 -- even if he loses half of the remaining six contests.

The Illinois senator has picked up 26 superdelegates in the past week. At that pace, he will reach the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination -- 2,025 -- in the next three weeks, when delegates from the remaining primaries are included.

Superdelegates put Obama Within Mathematical Reach
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#97813 - 05/13/08 01:56 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: MattsKat]
Softail
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It's not "if" but "when" and "how" she can exit gracefully (and still get some of her money back.)
This caught my eye. Here is a woman who cannot even effectively manage her own campaign finances and resorts to digging into her own bank account to stay in the race, much like Bush, whose friends and family were continually bailing him out of bad business ventures long before he got into office. Do we actually expect people like this to suddenly get an "A" in business and finance when they get into office?
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#97822 - 05/13/08 02:34 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
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The only implication was in regard to a previous post where someone had stated that blacks hung in trees have been "pushing up daisies now for generations."
I'd like to see where a statement of this nature was made, Softail.

I wonder if you are confusing the notion cited above with the assertion that reparations (a suggestion by some a few years back) are in order for our history of owning slaves and having other acts of racial injustice (Jim Crow laws, etc.) on our recorded history as being inappropriate due to the fact that slave owners have been pushing up daisies for generations.....
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#97824 - 05/13/08 02:43 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: bobbcat]
14tonks
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No, she isn't confused. I also remember someone using those exact words here to dismiss the possibility of any current legitimate black anger about the subject.

Whaddaya know, the someone was yourself:
#93418 - 03/15/08 08:24 PM Re: Obama, Race, and Religion [Re: Softail]


Edited by 14tonks (05/13/08 02:49 PM)

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#97828 - 05/13/08 03:02 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: bobbcat]
Softail
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I'd like to see where a statement of this nature was made, Softail.
The statement was (is?)
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You know, those pics are of incidents committed by people who have been pushing up daisies now for generations.
You stated the people pushing up daisies were the people who committed those crimes. Point is, whether it's the ones who committed the crimes or the ones who were the victims of the crimes, the fact that they're pushing up daises, reparation aside, makes it all less significant and therefore not applicable to this day and age?
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#97829 - 05/13/08 03:09 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
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whether it's the ones who committed the crimes or the ones who were the victims of the crimes, the fact that they're pushing up daises, reparation aside, makes it all less significant and therefore not applicable to this day and age?
In what way is it 'applicable' to this day and age other than to foment discord and further divide people by bringing it up?
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#97831 - 05/13/08 03:22 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: bobbcat]
Softail
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I don't see where by 'bringing it up' serves to divide anyone. You first have to have awareness to move beyond a situation. People making statements such as "hang darky by the tree," deserves some analysis.
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#97832 - 05/13/08 03:37 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: bobbcat]
14tonks
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In what way is it 'applicable' to this day and age other than to foment discord and further divide people by bringing it up?


It's applicable because, as a matter of fact, all those people aren't pushing up daisies. A lot of them were my childhood neighbors, and I'm not yet so old that quite a few of them, let alone all their descendants that still hold the same opinions, aren't dead yet. It is not just "fomenting discord" to acknowledge that fact. Continued progress requires acknowledging both how far we've come and how far is left to go.

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#97852 - 05/13/08 04:34 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
bobbcat
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People making statements such as "hang darky by the tree," deserves some analysis.
There really is not much analysis beyond the notion that someone making such a statement is a bigot that is required, IMHO. There will always be bigots among us. I am not sure what can be done about that WTE of simply shunning such folks.
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Continued progress requires acknowledging both how far we've come and how far is left to go.
I think the emphasis should be on the former. As I have alluded to before, what is going to help bring people together is focusing on what we all have in common and not dwelling on the past and looking for reasons to hold grudges against one another.
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#97859 - 05/13/08 05:47 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: bobbcat]
Softail
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"Fomenting discord" is a term could be applied just as successfully towards the likes of Rush Limbaugh and his operation chaos, not to mention the other below-the-belt tactics employed by the right wing to assassinate the attempts of Obama, who only wants a chance to change what is broken in this country. While the focus has been on Obama's "character," you have to ask yourself if he would be under as much scrutiny if he was a white man. Where is the justice in assassinating the character of one black man and not the characters of the other candidates, who just happen to be white? There is plenty of dirt there to play in. At least Obama has the decency to not shoot below the belt in response to everything that has been thrown at him. Doing so, however, would put him at greater risk of being further characterized as unstable. Beneath all the character assassination attempts, many Americans have sniffed out the underlying tones of racism. Hopefully, their greatest reprieve will be to cast their votes come November.
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#97864 - 05/13/08 06:07 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
tropsicleAfter
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Originally Posted By: Softail
"Fomenting discord" is a term could be applied just as successfully towards the likes of Rush Limbaugh

Agreed, without reservation.

Originally Posted By: Softail
...not to mention the other below-the-belt tactics employed by the right wing

It is a fight, basically without rules, and certainly not limited to the right wing.

Originally Posted By: Softail
Obama, who only wants a chance to change what is broken in this country.

Well, now, you can only base that statement on what he has said he wants to do. None of us know what he will do, or what he will be allowed to do, once he is in office. As with most things, there is often a huge gulf between what we know and what we have only convinced ourselves that we know. The ancient philosophers struggled with this concept, and it still nags at the consciousness of thinkers today.

Originally Posted By: Softail
While the focus has been on Obama's "character," you have to ask yourself if he would be under as much scrutiny if he was a white man.

Great question. For me, the answer is yes. I plan to place as much scrutiny on each candidate, regardless of their race or age.

Originally Posted By: Softail
Where is the justice in assassinating the character of one black man and not the characters of the other candidates, who just happen to be white?

Just wait for the general election campaign. Character assassination will abound.

Originally Posted By: Softail
There is plenty of dirt there to play in.

Agreed, without reservation.

Originally Posted By: Softail
At least Obama has the decency to not shoot below the belt in response to everything that has been thrown at him.

Well, again, that depends on your belief system. Just last week, in response to McCain's bringing to light Hamas's endorsement of him, Obama very quickly 'hit below the belt' with an ageism remark. Sure, Obama supporters will not see that "lost his bearings" statement as referring to age, but, of course, no one has accused Obama of not being a charasmatic speechifier.

Originally Posted By: Softail
...many Americans have sniffed out the underlying tones of racism.

Racism is bad. Ageism is bad, Both are going to come up again and again in the general election campaign. It's not a tea party, it's a fight to the death. If one finds that unsavory, one should stay out of politics completely.
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#97868 - 05/13/08 06:39 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: tropsicleAfter]
MattsKat
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Well, now, you can only base that statement on what he has said he wants to do. None of us know what he will do, or what he will be allowed to do, once he is in office.

But isn't this true of the other two candidates as well? For that matter, isn't it true of ALL candidates running for ANY public office? How many of us "knew" what GWB would do and who he would look to for advice? Or what Nixon would do? Or that JFK would be assassinated and LBJ would replace him? Would we have voted for/against any/all of the above, had we known how their presidencies would play out?
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#97871 - 05/13/08 06:54 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: tropsicleAfter]
Softail
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It's not a tea party, it's a fight to the death.
Pardon me while I look around the room for a minute to find anyone who expects a tea party. Nope, couldn't find anyone. \:\) I'm all for fighting to the death if it's over something of substance, such as the real issues we are facing. Remember those? Health care, education, the war in Iraq, the dwindling economy, etc. etc. Quite possibly it will take as much time to fix the things that are broken as it took to break them, but here we are wasting time picking away at Obama.
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#97873 - 05/13/08 07:15 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: MattsKat]
tropsicleAfter
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YES!

MK, I have never said that this didn't apply to them all. What I want to impart is that saying something like "Obama is going to change things!" falls into that unknowable realm and is actually only a belief. There are certainly similar statements to be made about all of them, ALL of them. My statements are intended to get supporters of any candidate to continue that process of evaluation in the cold light of reality, not in the warm glow of belief. I believe, MK, that we actually are closer in ideology than you may have ever suspected. \:\)
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#97874 - 05/13/08 07:20 PM Re: Racism is alive in America, just ask Obama [Re: Softail]
tropsicleAfter
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Softail, I think the metaphores I used would be taken for just that by most.

Where we differ is that you don't want to include anything about Mr. Obama's character as a real issue. Fortunately, much of America does. They believe that a candidate's character is every bit as important as the hot-button "real issues" that you raise.

As in my reply to MK, I believe we should spend THIS time in picking away at the flaws of each candidate, before we elect one, rather than afterward.
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