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#97745 - 05/12/08 03:38 PM
Obama visits 57 States.
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thisismyusername
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related
If this was meant to be a joke, I'm not sure I understand it.
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#97752 - 05/12/08 05:06 PM
Re: Obama visits 57 States.
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tropsicleAfter
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No, it wasn't a joke. He probably saw 47 on his notes and simply misread it. I don't like Mr. Obama, but there is little to pick over from this.
They already have made 57-state US flag lapel pins, which, of course, he wouldn't wear. 
If Mr. McCain said this, some surrogate of Obama's would have hit the airwaves claiming proof that he was senile in his old age.
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#97775 - 05/13/08 03:17 AM
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Agnostic
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Great chance of him getting beheaded if he goes to those states.
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#97777 - 05/13/08 07:58 AM
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whorn
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Any other non-issues regarding Senator Obama out there?
Come to think of it, I recall passing him on the street back in 1996 while on my way to make a contribution to the International Action Center. It's only a matter of time before this bombshell is discovered. That "connection" will sink the guy, for sure...
Harry, Great article by the way.
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#97779 - 05/13/08 08:59 AM
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mtag
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I guess that would complicate greatly his plan to sit down with Iran and talk things over  (especially if they get their mandate passed!)
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#97781 - 05/13/08 09:33 AM
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mtag
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whorn, it seems like every argument against Obama is a "non-issue" in the eyes of his supporters, but I think his lack of experience and "most liberal" voting record in his short time in the Senate are huge issues. Likability only gets you so far, and Harry's article points out that he won't even have that going for him in dealings with at least some Islamic nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with John McCain, too. But I am just amazed at how quickly issues concerning Obama are just brushed off.
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#97783 - 05/13/08 09:56 AM
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tropsicleAfter
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Despite Harry's article, Mr. Obama IS endorsed by at least one terrorist organization, namely Hamas, and I think that is a HUGE issue. This was reported last week, and, as mtag points out, quickly brushed aside.
If the goal of the radical Muslims is truly to destroy us, how better to do so than to have us elect a sleeper to the highest office in the land.
I'm just saying...
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#97796 - 05/13/08 12:06 PM
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If the goal of the radical Muslims is truly to destroy us, how better to do so than to have us elect a sleeper to the highest office in the land.
I'm just saying...
Now, that's really reaching! It's one thing to be concerned about a liberal voting record or another legitimate issue. This, however, is ridiculous.
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#97799 - 05/13/08 12:28 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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It is ridiculous on what basis?
Surely, you aren't saying that this could never happen. Surely, your belief that it is not true is not based simply on the fact that he says he is a Christian.
Please note that I did not make the accusation. However, since you challenge me on the merits, please do so with something more than the fact that you don't think it is a legitmate issue.
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#97800 - 05/13/08 12:39 PM
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14tonks
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Tropsicle, how about you first provide one scrap of evidence that it is one?
C'mon, get real, if radical Islam had managed to place a sleeper secret agent in a position or potential position of power in the United States, do you think they would tip their hand by publicly endorsing that person in a political campaign??? I confess I'm surprised to find you resorting to a Snopes-level argument. I've always regarded you as more intelligent than that.
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#97804 - 05/13/08 01:09 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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Again, I did not make an accusation.
IF it were true, debating the machiavellian aspects would be pointless, like a criminal basing his defense on the statement "Would I have called 911 if I were the one that killed him?" However much you would not want to believe it, it IS possible.
As they say, Truth is stranger than fiction, and this kind of thing is prevalent in fiction.
tonks, much as I respect you, the degree to which I am or am not intelligent is, thankfully, does not require validation by anyone.
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#97808 - 05/13/08 01:19 PM
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14tonks
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Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, and smears passed off as truth in political whispering campaigns are stranger yet.
I hereby propose that John McCain has actually spent his life as a "sleeper" Communist agent--I mean, what better ruse than to set him up as a POW torture victim of the Viet Cong in order to eventually slip him into the Presidency and take over the US government?
I'm going to go read some chain e-mails now, so I can better understand the real issues in this campaign.
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#97811 - 05/13/08 01:36 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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LOL - You are correct - your assertation has every bit as much validity as my pondering.
Here's another, since you like them so much. When the Dems fail to nominate Hillary, she withdraws from the party and runs as an independent, spoiling it for both Obama and McCain. Keep in mind, though Obama will most likely win the Dem nomination, there are literally millions solidly behind Hillary, a base much larger than any other independent candidate has ever had in history. Even in recent years, Senator Lieberman pulled exactly the same scenario for re-election.
What the debates here always seemingly fail to understand is that I am not 'going after' Obama because I want to see McCain elected (or Hillary, for that matter). I truly believe Obama would be a huge mistake for the country - not because I think he is a sleeper agent for radical Islam, but because at the very best his cult of personality will fail miserably when faced with the realities of American government. All that change he says he can accomplish? Not a bit of it will happen without the other branches of government getting on board, which they won't be, if for no other reason than it would put in danger their comfy, graft-ridden existance. Of course, there are a hundred other reasons that he would fail, but I know there is no converting those already in the rapture.
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#97812 - 05/13/08 01:47 PM
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No rapture here; I grant you that he may turn out to be a mistake--but McCain or Clinton might turn out to be even bigger ones. The only answer to that comfy, graft-ridden existence problem would be electing "none of the above" to every position on the ticket, rinse and repeat. In default of that, this seems to be the year many are inclined to pull the lever for the devil they don't know quite so well.
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#97816 - 05/13/08 02:06 PM
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Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, and smears passed off as truth in political whispering campaigns are stranger yet. I hereby propose that John McCain has actually spent his life as a "sleeper" Communist agent--I mean, what better ruse than to set him up as a POW torture victim of the Viet Cong in order to eventually slip him into the Presidency and take over the US government? I'm going to go read some chain e-mails now, so I can better understand the real issues in this campaign.
Pay special attention to the ones that talk about flag pins and closet Muslims; they tend to be the most educational.
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#97817 - 05/13/08 02:10 PM
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ahvasquez
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What the debates here always seemingly fail to understand is that I am not 'going after' Obama because I want to see McCain elected (or Hillary, for that matter). I truly believe Obama would be a huge mistake for the country - not because I think he is a sleeper agent for radical Islam, but because at the very best his cult of personality will fail miserably when faced with the realities of American government. All that change he says he can accomplish? Not a bit of it will happen without the other branches of government getting on board, which they won't be, if for no other reason than it would put in danger their comfy, graft-ridden existance. Of course, there are a hundred other reasons that he would fail, but I know there is no converting those already in the rapture.
These are concerns I can understand. I may not agree with them, but they hold a lot more validity to me than the suggestion that he's a sleeper for a terrorist cell.
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#97825 - 05/13/08 02:45 PM
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thisismyusername
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No, it wasn't a joke. He probably saw 47 on his notes and simply misread it. I don't like Mr. Obama, but there is little to pick over from this.
I suppose I should chalk it up to the inner transcriptionist in me. If I heard 57 states in a dictation, I most certainly would not transcribe it. Likewise, if I read 57 states, I most certainly would not say it aloud; however, if I had (perhaps under pressure or whatnot), I would be prompt in correcting myself.
I guess it is nitpicking, but to me it screams of a lack of comprehension and/or attention to detail (and a very rudimentary one at that). I think those are pretty important skills for a POTUS, but what the hell do I know, right? **shrugs**
Edited by thisismyusername (05/13/08 02:49 PM)
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#97827 - 05/13/08 02:56 PM
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14tonks
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But I am just amazed at how quickly issues concerning Obama are just brushed off.
Hey, no fair. The Republicans got to have a Teflon President for years; don't the Democrats get to even have a Teflon candidate? 
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#97855 - 05/13/08 05:05 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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As I said, I have to give the guy a break on the "57", if for no other reason than the sheer amount of speaking engagements he gives in any one day, multiplied by the LONG campaign he has waged. It certainly is not a gaff of the same stature as dodging sniper fire, and is probably less of one than McCain's Al-Queda mistake.
In watching the video, I noted that he was reading from notes, which is unlike him, so maybe the speech was written by his staffers in haste and he had little or no time to rehearse it. Additionally, the crowd caught it right off and laughed, and he almost acted like he was going to catch it and correct, but instead plowed on.
Again, as much as I do not like him for POTUS, I just can't see a big deal here. After all, we kept "nucular" George in office for the maximum number of years.
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