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#96960 - 04/30/08 06:12 PM
American dollar is a "worthless piece of paper."
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Softail
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Iran President calls U.S. Dollar Worthless
"They get our oil and give us a worthless piece of paper," Ahmadinejad told reporters after the close of the summit in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. He blamed U.S. President George W. Bush's policies for the decline of the dollar and its negative effect on other countries.
Oil is priced in U.S. dollars on the world market, and the currency's depreciation has concerned oil producers because it has contributed to rising crude prices and has eroded the value of their dollar reserves.
Ever get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach?
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#96962 - 04/30/08 06:35 PM
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BlankKeys
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Ever get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach?
Sure do - everytime I fill my gas tank. 
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#96966 - 04/30/08 07:13 PM
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Piglet
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Ever get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach?
Watching the first bombings on Baghdad at about 4 a.m. on the tele. Still have it.
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#96967 - 04/30/08 07:17 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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The first Gulf War opening night was much better than Dubya's "Shock and Awe", proving the adage that remakes are never as good as the original.
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#96976 - 04/30/08 11:14 PM
Re: American dollar is a "worthless piece of paper."
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ahvasquez
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Ever get that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach?
Every time I see a headline with "Iran" in it. I live in fear that our "honorable" president will see fit to get us tangled up any more than we already are. I wish we could get that administration out NOW, before they can do any more damage than they already have!!
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#97010 - 05/01/08 10:23 AM
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Kimmbberr
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Arrogant jerk. Not Bush, this guy. He is taunting us and we need someone in the White House who won't fall for it. Hillary? Obama? John? Man, I don't know.
In a perfect world who would be a good Democrat candidate and who would be a good Republican one? I don't know enough about the politicians to really say.
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#97028 - 05/01/08 12:31 PM
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Softail
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#1, Hillary would be the WORST choice of all three. Midddle Eastern men hold women to an inferior status, and having to deal with a woman president may just put them over the edge. In addition, she has too much to prove and may just be too eager to throw her weight around, which would be a huge mistake. She has already been quoted as saying she would "totally obliterate" Iran. Talk about a case of opening mouth and inserting foot...
#2, McCain is too much of a hot head to deal with foreign extremists. If we think Bush is unstable, putting McCain into office would be further losing a battle that Bush created. He can be quoted as saying he is willing to stay in Iraq for the next 100 years. McCain scares me more than Hillary.
#3, Obama is the only level-headed one in the bunch. He realizes the biggest mistake we could make is to further provoke anger towards America, the "Great Satan" as Iran calls us. I think Iran would be more open to dealing with Obama than the other two candidates.
Bush didn't find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but I think had he looked in Iran, he would have found them there.
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#97049 - 05/01/08 03:00 PM
Re: American dollar is a "worthless piece of pape
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tropsicleAfter
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Softail, you and the anti-Hillaryites should really check facts before making statments that can be proven untrue. She did not say she "would" totally obliterate Iran, but instead reminded them that we would 'be able to' do so, which, of course, would be true for any POTUS. You may write that off as a small difference, but, seriously, when maligning someone it is always best to use their exact words, not the spewed venom of pundits who also got it wrong. True quotes and video proof here
Let's face it, they ALL say and do stupid things, including your darling boy Obama.
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#97052 - 05/01/08 03:18 PM
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BlankKeys
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Personally, I don't like any of the candidates and I hate the war as much as anyone but I have to admit to believing Hillary's approach to Iran is closer to what is needed than Obama's. They proved in the past what they'll do when you let your guard down. Remember the Ayatollah and the 1979 hostage crisis? No one wants to go there again.
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#97053 - 05/01/08 03:30 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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I would add that I would MUCH rather have a POTUS that would deal with Iran (if needed) than make deals with them.
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#97058 - 05/01/08 04:17 PM
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Softail
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It's not the word "would" or the words "would be able to" that are disturbing. It's the word "obliterate," which means to leave no trace, wipe out, rub off, erase. My issue is that here is a country (Iran) with nuclear weapons and the U.S. is saying if Iran attacks Israel, we are going to wipe you off the face of the earth. I'm sorry, but if I'm Iran and someone threatens me with obliteration if I do this or don't do that, and I have big guns, I'm going to use them on whoever is standing in my way of carrying out my mission. When it comes to nuclear war, threats or promises of threats should always come after strong, hard negotiations.
This isn't the first time Hillary has said something stupid...sniper fire comes to mind. That's twice now that her big mouth has gotten her into trouble, and if she can't contain it any better than that, then I have my concerns.
All the candidates need to choose their words more carefully--yes, even Obama.
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#97059 - 05/01/08 04:31 PM
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MattsKat
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...it is always best to use their exact words...
Agreed, Trops, and I'm not intending to malign but simply to clarify. To the question if Iran were to strike Israel, HRC's exact words were: "...If I'm the president, we will attack Iran." She then goes on to say "we would be able to totally obliterate..." which, to my ears did not sound like she was lightening up on her threat but rather reinforcing it: We will attack and we have the capability to obliterate Iran.
You can hear her exact words at about 2:40 into this clip:
http://patdollard.com/2008/04/the-hillary-obliterate-iran-video/
Watching her body language and listening to her tone of voice, she comes across to me not as speaking in the heat of the moment or overdramatically or caught off guard by the question, but speaking quite matter-of-factly, as if she's given this more than a little thought. I find her statement to be chilling, absolutely chilling.
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#97060 - 05/01/08 04:37 PM
Re: American dollar is a "worthless piece of pape
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tropsicleAfter
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I know, and I think most of us know, what the word obliterate means.
Iran does NOT have nuclear weapons. No one, other than you, has said that they do. Sure, they want to make them, but when you state that they have them, you are wrong. Thus, logically, the rest of your assertations are built on faulty premises.
Iran's stated mission is to 'obliterate' Israel off the face of the map. I guess that is somehow more acceptable to you than Hillary providing them with a simple reminder via an IF/THEN statement, since you count this as a second instance of her saying something stupid. Evidently, you would have us stay out of their way because they might instead use the nonexistant nuclear weapons on us. You then say that threats should come after 'strong, hard negotiations." Sure, negotiating with terrorists has always proven to end the threat.
I'm afraid there is no antidote for the kool-aid you have consumed. I can only refer you back to your own sig line.
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#97065 - 05/01/08 05:26 PM
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Softail
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Iran does NOT have nuclear weapons. No one, other than you, has said that they do.
It is generally believed that Iran's efforts are focused on uranium enrichment, though there are some indications of work on a parallel plutonium effort. Iran claims it is trying to establish a complete nuclear fuel cycle to support a civilian energy program, but this same fuel cycle would be applicable to a nuclear weapons development program. Iran appears to have spread their nuclear activities around a number of sites to reduce the risk of detection or attack.
It's very nice of you to give Iran the benefit of the doubt. After all, they are just terrorists. You can also make references to the Kool-Aid I'm drinking (it's cherry-flavored by the way), but perhaps you should take off the rose-colored glasses?
Also, what makes you think we can just obliterate Iran when that was our plan for Iraq, and we're still there five years later?
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#97067 - 05/01/08 05:49 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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OK, before this devoles into complete banality, can you show me where our plan was to obliterate Iraq? Since you state that was our plan, you must have documentation, right?
Or is this just another of your tongue-in-cheek statements?
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#97072 - 05/01/08 06:52 PM
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Piglet
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Tropsicle - what do you mean by this?
"I would add that I would MUCH rather have a POTUS that would deal with Iran (if needed) than make deals with them."
Is it your belief that some sort of truce or understanding cannot not be made between the US and Iran? Or Iran and the rest of the world? Is that you mean by "making deals"?
The US govt has been making deals with despots, communist rulers, and just plain jackasses if they felt it served a US interest. Why is now any different in your eyes?
Did you know that the big Dick Cheney traveled the middle east in March, specifically targeting Turkey, but traveled to others as well, for the sole purpose of gaining support of an attack on Iran? Feeling out who our friends and allies will be and who isn't.
I am not so sure that what the US needs right now is someone who is willing to deal with Iran versus making a deal with Iran. Not everyone is amenable to being pushed around, and this time around, we will need the full support of the UN if it comes down to any military action.
Wouldn't a deal with Iran be quite a feather in the proverbial US cap? If we could strike a deal with Iran, could Pakistan be next, Afghanistan?
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#97073 - 05/01/08 07:07 PM
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Softail
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Was it not Bush's plan to obliterate these so-called weapons of mass destruction?
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#97076 - 05/01/08 07:32 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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Piglet, what in recent history leads you to believe that Iran even wants to make a deal? What they want is to do whatever the hell they want to do without interference from anyone... Oh, and to wipe Israel off the map.
What I believe is that any 'truce' (completely wrong use of the word) or understanding would go the way of all the other deals and understandings we and others have made with Iran, IOW they would agree and then keep on doing whatever they wanted to anyway.
I know that Cheney went traveling in the Middle East (capitalized as referring to a region), but I do not know, and neither do you, what the agenda was in each meeting. If you do know, please provide linkage to documentation - not some op-ed piece written by someone that supports your view. That said, I am no fan of Cheney and Co. and, in fact, have predicted that the current administration will manufacture a greater conflict with Iran before leaving office.
Of course the despotic US has made deals with other despotic rulers in the past, and it would be naive to think that any of the current crop of candidates would be any different.
The UN has proven its ineffectiveness over and over through the past few decades. While you are perfectly entitled to feeling that what the US needs is someone to make a deal with Iran, I can look at the history of the region, our relationships with Iran and other nations of the Middle East, and the complete intrasigence of same and come to a completely different and more logical conclusion.
Ain't American grand that way?
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#97077 - 05/01/08 07:36 PM
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tropsicleAfter
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OK, <stifling laugh> you assert that our plan was to obliterate Iraq. I call you on that. Instead of answering that call, you then ask if obliterating supposed WOMD wasn't our plan.
WOMD are not the same as the country that supposedly had them, or is that too obvious?
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#97084 - 05/01/08 09:13 PM
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 The UN has proven its ineffectiveness over and over through the past few decades.
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