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#96431 - 04/24/08 05:29 PM
Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Dabble
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Another case of unnecessary death(s). Since time after time we see these kinds of stories posted, here is one that did not happen in the U.S. I am interested to see what our Indian transcription friends have to say about this.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352497,00.html
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#96433 - 04/24/08 05:57 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Badfinger
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I guess I didn't realize they still used the caste system. So barbaric. I can't believe they would be "afraid" to touch her. How ignorant and stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. I hope they pay for what happened to that mother and baby. And I'm also interested in what our Indian friends have to say about it and if they would be afraid to touch someone at the bottom of the caste ladder. Geez.
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#96438 - 04/24/08 06:24 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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BlankKeys
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You know, I've always tried to be tolerant and understanding of the cultures and traditions of others and tried to teach my children to see that "just because it's not our way of doing things doesn't mean it's wrong." However, when a human life is involved, there is no culture, caste or tradition - you do what you can to preserve life. Letting a mother and baby suffer and die is inexcusable. Their only "crime" was to be born into poor circumstances and they paid with their lives. I may be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that when our Indian friends respond, you'll see that they are just as horrified as we are by this tragedy.
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#96439 - 04/24/08 06:30 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Wordcraftr
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Stupid ain't the half of it. It's downright evil. My heart seizes up when I read a story like this one.
No matter that these practices are illegal. The caste system was outlawed, but herd instinct runs deep. You would think that educated people could move past that knee-jerk response to old prejudices.
There are practices in the world that no one can justify, because we have reached a level of consciousness wherein we KNOW that treating another human being like an object is heinous. Female genital mutilation, "honor" killings, stoning a woman to death if she is caught in adultery, marrying a woman for a dowry then killing her to marry again for another dowry. Oh, and don't forget suicide bombings.
When will we ever get it right?
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#96456 - 04/24/08 07:36 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Badfinger
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Two sisters were killed in our area and the father's excuse was honor killing. Apparently, these sisters weren't dating the right boys, so they paid with their lives. High-school girls.
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#96479 - 04/24/08 11:51 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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TJill
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I may be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that when our Indian friends respond, you'll see that they are just as horrified as we are by this tragedy.
You are probably wrong. They probably will never respond because it will be too hard to explain how things like this still happen even though there are laws against it and India is trying to be progressive (i.e., Dalits are elected to public office, there is affirmative action for Dalits and tribals, etc.). There is no "welfare" there for the poor because the poor are usually of the lower castes (or if say a drunkard in the upper caste they are on the way down in their next life) and "deserve" to be poor. Anyway they only seem to come on here to gloat about new outsourcing deals going to India. That's what's important to them. I doubt you will hear from them on this subject.
In the Hindu religion, they believe in reincarnation. They believe that the circumstances you are born in TODAY are a direct result of your deeds, good or evil, in your last life. Therefore, a Dalit DESERVES all the bad things that happen to them because they were evil in their last life. Their only hope is to be very pious in their current life so they can be born into a better caste next time. Did you know that you cannot "convert" to Hinduism like you can to other religions? You are either born one or not.
How do I know any of this you may ask? Easy. I am married to an Indian. I have also traveled to India and experienced the place where my husband is from firsthand (Mumbai). My own mother in law told me this as to why we should ignore the beggars who would routinely swarm our chauffeur-driven car at traffic lights. Is it nice? No. But it's reality.
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#96498 - 04/25/08 08:48 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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BlankKeys
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TJill, after having just read the posts on Politics and religion, I now wholeheartedly agree with you. I guess I just didn't want to believe anyone could condone such cruelty, but I now know what the mindset is.
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#96524 - 04/25/08 12:01 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Badfinger
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I think you're right. If they were going to respond, I think they would have by now.
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#96532 - 04/25/08 12:39 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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tropsicleAfter
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Given the lack of directly addressing this thread, I have to think that Harry is way too busy criticizing the way our country works to comment on his own country's problems.
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#96533 - 04/25/08 12:56 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Dabble
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And India's problems are many. I don't mind if my fellow Americans vent about this country, but I kind of resent it when others do. Like my mom used to say "Sweep your own doorstep."
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#96589 - 04/25/08 09:59 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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bobbcat
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I wonder how often Harry comes into the Hot Zone. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt......
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#96612 - 04/26/08 07:59 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Agnostic
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Given the lack of directly addressing this thread, I have to think that Harry is way too busy criticizing the way our country works to comment on his own country's problems.
Not at all. I rarely come to the HZ and I just came across this. What has happened is disgraceful and something that makes me hang my head down in shame. No Indian MT has ever claimed that we are perfect. We have our warts too and the caste system as it is practiced in the "cow belt" is one of them. Besides the political forum is for discussing American politics in an election year.
And to think that this has happened in a state where a Dalit party is in power.
This is one of the reasons why the extreme left is growing in a lot of our states and outfits like these garner a lot of support among the downtrodden sections especially in the countryside.
Edited to add that the caste system transcends religion.
Even Muslims have castes.
No amount of affirmative action for the Dalits can eradicate the caste system. Gandhi said that untouchability should be eradicated from the mind and as long as one person thinks he is superior to another by virtue of birth, such incidents are bound to occur.
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#96685 - 04/27/08 12:32 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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MattsKat
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Anyway they only seem to come on here to gloat about new outsourcing deals going to India. That's what's important to them. I doubt you will hear from them on this subject.
TJill, you're new here, right? (Second time today I've asked the same rhetorical question...  . Does ANYone understand the basic concept of getting a feel for an online community before jumping in with your both feet landing in awkward places?)
TJill, please point me to the thread(s) where any of our Indian colleagues have ever *gloated* about outsourcing transcription deals going to India. Please.
I think you're right. If they were going to respond, I think they would have by now.
Given the lack of directly addressing this thread, I have to think that Harry is way too busy criticizing the way our country works to comment on his own country's problems.
Badfinger and Trops, you're NOT new to the board so what's YOUR excuse? If you were aiming for good-natured humor, you left off the  . If any of our Indian colleagues had been given a deadline by which to respond to the original post, I missed that part, so I can understand how Harry and JW missed it, too.
(Thank you, BC, for graciously giving the benefit of the doubt that MTChat might not be the center of anyone's life, 24/7.  )
And for all you caste-system-is-barbaric folks, do you truly believe there's no such thing as a "caste system" right here in the US of A? Speaking of medical care, have you ever worked in a doctors' office? If so, have you ever seen the special care accorded to, say, a physician's wife -- (it's called "professional courtesy" but what it means is, we don't send out bills to our own kind) -- or the hospital accommodations and security and perks provided to a mayor or a movie star?
Have you ever been sitting in a San Diego ER late on a Saturday night and noticed how the triage nurse takes into account a patient's ability to speak fluent English (or not) when assessing illness or injury, and you're really happy inside because you've got your Blue Shield card in your wallet and English is the only language you know how to speak?
Have you ever been shopping at Nordstrom's with money to burn but you're wearing flip-flops and holey jeans and the commission-based sales clerks look right through you like you're not even there?
Have you ever made a quick post on a message board like, say, MTChat, and you spelled three words wrong and all of a sudden everyone jumps you and mocks you and lets you know you're not quite good enough to be posting with the Big Boys.
To quote TJill again, "Is it nice? No. But it's reality."
Getting down now. 
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#96686 - 04/27/08 01:21 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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Bellatrix
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Actually those are all examples of rich vs poor, education vs lack of education, famous vs ordinary. All of those things can be changed in the US by making money, losing money, becoming famous, fame diminishing, becoming educated or staying ignorant. Being born into a low caste cannot be changed by making money or getting an education, you are still in the same caste.
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#96696 - 04/27/08 07:47 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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tropsicleAfter
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...and Trops, you're NOT new to the board so what's YOUR excuse?
Gee, MK, you're not new here either, so what makes you think I need to justify myself to you?
I calls 'em likes I sees 'em. Always have, always will. When this board changes to one where I do have to justify myself to you, we can have a very different discussion.
Oh, and as an aside...
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#96707 - 04/27/08 11:43 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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MattsKat
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Geez, I go to bed one night and wake up to find all he# broke loose on the MK.
Bellatrix: Yes, "caste" was probably the wrong word for me to use, in the strictest sense. Merriam-Webster's second definition for "caste" is "a division of society based on differences of wealth, inherited rank or privilege, profession, occupation, or race" and that's what I was going for -- not the long-term caste system involving reincarnation but the "in the here and now" sense when you (general you) realize you wore the wrong shoes and people are looking down their noses at you (general you) -- It's discrimination and it's not okay, but I think it's basic human nature to categorize people, especially strangers, into Better-than-Me, Beneath-Me and Just-Like-Me.
Trops: You don't need to justify yourself to me (and vice versa) but it bothered my basic Libra sensibilities that you were expecting Harry to justify his nonresponse to a post he may or may not have even read.
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#96709 - 04/27/08 11:56 AM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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tropsicleAfter
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Actually, MK, if you reread what I posted, I neither gave him a deadline (as per your previous post) nor asked him to justify himself to me or anyone else. I did make an observation, and it seems that BC and you felt you needed to defend him.
Somehow, I think Harry is quite capable of defending himself, if he feels defensive. I have communicated directly with Harry about this matter, so I consider it fini.
I am sorry that your basic Libra sensibilities were bothered. However, that is what I,as a practical Virgo, call a problem you own, not one that I own.
I do regret and retract the offensive portion of how I ended my previous post. It does indeed get hot in the Hot Zone sometimes, and I posted without applying what filters I usually (believe it or not ) use.
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#96718 - 04/27/08 01:39 PM
Re: Medical Neglect...Not in U.S.!
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MattsKat
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Namaste'
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