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#93133 - 03/11/08 04:37 PM
Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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stephyk98
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Registered: 03/07/08
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Loc: New York
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Hi All,
I have a question about the school from where I am currently studying. I am doing my training through a DETC course at Allied for MT. The program I chose is supposed to assist me in finding employment, or at least companies looking for MTs, the obviously can'r guarantee a job... They also pay for a year's membership to the AAMT, which is now ADHI, I believe. Has anyone heard anything about Allied, good or bad? I am still on my Terminology course, so I have to complete the Transcription portion. I am happy with them thus far, but I wanted to get a general concensus about them.
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#93311 - 03/13/08 05:33 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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MTchris08
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Registered: 01/25/08
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A friend of mine went through them and had nothing but issues. They did not help her to find a job, they just sent her a book on how to get started and all that good stuff, they never actually gave her names of companies or anything. She "graduated" in January and just this past week finally got a job. She said when she did the testing for companies, she failed a lot of them because she felt unprepared and the company she works for now only does H&P for workman's comp nothing else. When she had questions throughout school and even afterwards she was transferred to so many people in one phone call because no one could ever give her a straight answer. Hopefully you will have better luck!!
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#93538 - 03/17/08 08:04 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Ebit
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Unfortunately, I can't recommend them. We've had many applicants from them and few have been qualified. Since you've presumably already paid, it's a little too late, but please be aware you'll need LOTS more dictation exposure, lots more detail about pretty much everything, in order to be attractive to an employer. I hate to be discouraging, but if you know now, you can make plans to supplement this very, very basic education. It can be done, but most likely more money and/or luck will be involved.
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#94059 - 03/25/08 05:41 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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stephyk98
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Registered: 03/07/08
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Loc: New York
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Thanks guys for the info. It's definitely helpful. So any recommendations on how to get more dictation practice if the info they give me is inadequate? And yes, I have had the phone transferring happen to me a lot. I am hoping it doesn't take forever. Do any of you know if they actually cover the fee to join AAMT/ADHI? I know once you gradute they pay for a year but you have to pay to take the CMT test on your own, I have no problem doing that. How likely would it be that an employer pays for the testing though? Just a curious question... Thanks for the feedback. I can honestly say that thus far I haven't had to call often although I am not to the dictation portion which is where I imgagine the more frequent calling to school would come into play. So, any advice on how to get my hand on more dictation if need be? I'm open to suggestions... Final question, to the person who had their friend graduate from their in January, do you happen to know which program she chose to take. I know they have a couple of choices, just the normal Mt program and the Professional program....
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#94105 - 03/26/08 02:47 AM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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AmBeck22
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Is there any way you can get your money, full or partial, back before going further, Steph?
Regarding the CMT test, you cannot take that test until you have worked 2 years. You'll have plenty of time to worry about that test in the future.
If you do stay with Allied, ADHI membership used to be cheaper for people on MT school, but I don't know if that has changed or not. I was a student member and then a regular member and took the RMT exam but I haven't renewed my membership since the name change.
Good luck.
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#94193 - 03/26/08 11:40 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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stephyk98
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Registered: 03/07/08
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Loc: New York
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I'm not sure that I can get my money back. They may be able to prorate it, but the problem is I had help from my family on my tuition because I was really interested in the field, and quite ehonestly I can't afford to pay for it alone. I don't want to have to ask for help again, so I'm kind of stuck in this situation. I just don't want to go through all of this, and then find out that the school I chose did not prepare me for the realy MT world, ya know? At this point I am still working on the terminology portion, so I haven't even started the transcription training yet. If I do get out of the school I am with, does anyone have any recommendations as to which school I start with. My other question would be if I complete my terminology course, woudl I be able to just do a transcriotion course through another school? I do have mixed feelings about trying to switch schools.... But I am concerned that I have heard some people have had bad luck with Allied "grads" as far as being prepared. Does anyone know if this is a common thing? I am doing very well in the terminology and they do use the AAMt Book of Style, 2nd Edition, but I am assuming that it is the most current version, or at least the most accepted version. am I correct in assuming that?
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#94214 - 03/27/08 06:10 AM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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14tonks
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Loc: Only 3rd world country in US
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I just don't want to go through all of this, and then find out that the school I chose did not prepare me for the realy MT world, ya know? At this point I am still working on the terminology portion, so I haven't even started the transcription training yet. If I do get out of the school I am with, does anyone have any recommendations as to which school I start with. My other question would be if I complete my terminology course, woudl I be able to just do a transcriotion course through another school? I do have mixed feelings about trying to switch schools.... But I am concerned that I have heard some people have had bad luck with Allied "grads" as far as being prepared. Does anyone know if this is a common thing?
If you want training that is certain to give you everything you need to succeed and will open doors to jobs, you need to choose Andrews or M-Tec. If you should go on to either of those schools, I think it will very quickly become apparent to you why terminology at Allied does not equal terminology at M-Tec or Andrews. You may be able to get through their terminology training a little quicker if you have done a bit of terminology work at Allied, but no, you won't be able to just skip it.
Allied does not have a reputation as a good school; it really doesn't matter which flavor of their course offerings you chose. No, it probably won't prepare you that well for the real world of MT. If you can't back up and make a different choice, you will find plenty of posts here discussing the difficulties of getting that first job when you come from a less than stellar school and some suggestions for approaches that may work for you.
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#94253 - 03/27/08 02:20 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Reesie
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Registered: 03/27/08
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I have to say this is extremely disheartening.
I am just 10 short chapters away from finishing the Allied course. I will admit that I do feel in the dark about certain MT topics. I'm unclear on format, and could use more guidance with grammar. I actually intended to reread the text book in hopes of making these points more concrete in my mind. I thought it was just my memory lapsing, but now I'm concerned that perhaps the text just isn't clear. I still plan to finish, and hopefully with the right reference material and some extra studying I'll be able to find a decent job.
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#94255 - 03/27/08 02:43 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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14tonks
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If you check the M-Tec and Andrews sites for their course descriptions, you will see that both teach the complete set of HPI SUM tapes--not just the beginning set, all of them--as well as having some additional practice dictation. You can also find a list of what books each provides to their students if you want a starting point for learning/reference materials. The problem, of course, is that the tapes and books bought separately come without the benefit of an experienced instructor to make sure you get it all learned and learned right and a trusted school that certifies to employers that you did, but at least it will give you a starting point for comparison with what your course has provided. You might consider studying for the RMT, as that will give you at least some kind of entry level benchmark employers are somewhat familiar with. I wish you luck; you've picked the hard way into this business.
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#94256 - 03/27/08 02:55 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Reesie
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Registered: 03/27/08
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If you check the M-Tec and Andrews sites for their course descriptions, you will see that both teach the complete set of HPI SUM tapes--not just the beginning set, all of them--as well as having some additional practice dictation. You can also find a list of what books each provides to their students if you want a starting point for learning/reference materials. The problem, of course, is that the tapes and books bought separately come without the benefit of an experienced instructor to make sure you get it all learned and learned right and a trusted school that certifies to employers that you did, but at least it will give you a starting point for comparison with what your course has provided. You might consider studying for the RMT, as that will give you at least some kind of entry level benchmark employers are somewhat familiar with. I wish you luck; you've picked the hard way into this business.
Well, I appreciate the tips. I really do! It's nice to have access to people that are experienced in the field and know what helps. I guess I'll truck through these final chapters and then make some additional purchases. And I know this must sound extremely novice, but what's the RMT? How can I take it? Do I study by going over the reference books and tapes? Where can I buy the tapes? I really appreciate this information.
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#94257 - 03/27/08 04:36 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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14tonks
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You may be able to find at least some of the HPI SUM tapes/CDs for sale second hand on e-bay or elsewhere. (The more recent versions are on CD.) You can also buy them at http://www.hpisum.com. Unfortunately the price for individual purchase for those plus the books provided with other courses is going to amount to more than the additional tuition you would have paid to go to a good school. HPI takes the not unreasonable position that MT is best learned from an experienced instructor and provides package price breaks to schools but none for individual purchase for self study.
The RMT is the entry level exam offered by the organization formerly known as AAMT and now call AHDI. You can find info at http://www.ahdionline.org. I don't have much good to say about the organization itself, especially in it's new big MTSO-controlled incarnation, but they do publish the Book of Style used as a style rule starting point for a number of the nationals and they do offer the RMT as an entry-level credential. Having it might help to convince prospective employers that you were one of the better graduates of a lesser school and serious about trying to learn what that school didn't teach.
As noted above, the problem with teaching yourself is that you don't know what you learned wrong until you meet someone who knows how to do it right, and you have no way to prove that you have learned what you need to know if you don't have a credential from a good school to back up your assertion. The RMT might help a little with the latter; however, it's fairly new, and I really don't know how much weight employers are giving it at this point.
Other than that, it's the usual advice for those who don't have the credentials the big boys are looking for (graduation from the right school or at least two years acute care experience). If you can't get a national to waive their experience requirement and test you or can't pass the test if you do, look around for smaller local MTSOs. Perhaps someone still dealing in tapes who is extremely limited in the area she can hire in will be willing to mentor you. Perhaps you can find a job on site in a private practice. Possibly you can find one of the few remaining in-house hospital jobs where you can learn on the job while being paid an hourly salary. (You won't make much by the line at first with even a good education, so a starter job that pays by the hour is the holy grail.)
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#94261 - 03/27/08 06:44 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Reesie
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Registered: 03/27/08
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Wow! This is so much information to process, but very helpful. Thanks for investing time to answer my questions, I'll be looking into all of these things once I've completed this course; I may as well suck up all the knowledge I can get out of it. After all, I did pay for it, even if it isn't the best deal out there.
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#94275 - 03/28/08 12:37 AM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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AmBeck22
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Loc: WV
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Steph,
I know what you mean about asking family for help; my mom and aunts have helped me financially so many times in the past. However, you can at least try to get out of your current schooling and, if that's not possible, supplement it with some of the great advice/material suggestions from Tonks. It would be horrible if you borrowed money from your family and then couldn't find a job.
Much luck to you.
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#95943 - 04/18/08 11:04 AM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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MTchris08
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I am not sure but I think it was just the original MT program, I really couldn't tell you. Sorry so late in the response! Also, they did pay for one year for her to be part of the AHDI and you have to have a certain percent when you graduate to pay for the RMT test. The CMT test you have to pay for on your own, which you also have h=to have 2 years working experience with acute care before you can take that. Most employers (if they offer it) will reimburse you once you have your CMT certificate in hand, in other words you pay for it, pass it and then the company will reimburse you in your check (or separate check) but that is based on the company. Some companies do and some don't you would have to check that out when you are interviewed.
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#95956 - 04/18/08 01:00 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Sue Carlson
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We have all hospital-employed MTs here and a business college in our community. My recommendation to you would be to contact a near-by hospital, clinic, etc. and volunteer to do an internship for more experience. Many facilities need the extra help to meet turn-around-time / decrease backlog and in turn, you gain much needed training.
Good luck.
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#95960 - 04/18/08 01:15 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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haggis
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Most employers (if they offer it) will reimburse you once you have your CMT certificate in hand, in other words you pay for it, pass it and then the company will reimburse you in your check (or separate check) but that is based on the company.
What color is the sky in your world? Is this based on your vast experience or just the bill of goods sold to you by a matchbook school? IMHO, you're lucky to find a company that even gives you another cpl for having your CMT and I don't know any that would actually reimburse for the cost of the test.
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#95962 - 04/18/08 01:26 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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baldymom
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The company I work for does offer a 1 cpl raise and partial reimbursment (I think $100) of the cost of the CMT if you pass. RMT is 0.5 cpl and also partial reimbursment. All if you work with them for at least one year.
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#95968 - 04/18/08 02:48 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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NiteNinja00
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Amphion does CMT reimbursement along with career-related education reimbursement up to a certain amount every year.
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#95976 - 04/18/08 03:25 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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Nae
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Most employers (if they offer it) will reimburse you once you have your CMT certificate in hand, in other words you pay for it, pass it and then the company will reimburse you in your check (or separate check) but that is based on the company. What color is the sky in your world? Is this based on your vast experience or just the bill of goods sold to you by a matchbook school? IMHO, you're lucky to find a company that even gives you another cpl for having your CMT and I don't know any that would actually reimburse for the cost of the test.
Well ... mine does
Nae
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#95979 - 04/18/08 04:11 PM
Re: Anyone here from Allied Business School?
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haggis
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*sigh* The sky in my world is apparently dark and vast. Still doubt I'd be running out to get what I still consider a vanity credential, though, given the cost/benefit ratio.
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