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#5185 - 02/28/01 12:50 PM Is it Prayer's Sign?
Anonymous Unregistered



"The claimant had a positive Prayer's sign and a positive Terry's sign." (Refering to the arm.) Is this right? We can't find reference for either Prayer's or Terry's.

Thanks in advance.

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#5186 - 02/28/01 01:10 PM Re: Is it Prayer's Sign?
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Hi Paige. I can't help you with the Prayer sign but perhaps Terry's sign is referring to the teres muscle. This website makes reference to a Tere's test. However, I notice that this site has Yergason test spelled incorrectly so one would have to question the accuracy of this information. I don't have a lot of orthopedic experience so I'm sure someone else will be able to answer this for you, but at least this gives you something to possibly investigate further. http://www.tgisolutions.com/examfrm5.html

Joan...

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#5187 - 02/28/01 01:15 PM Re: Is it Prayer's Sign?
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Terry nails are a white opaque ground-glass appearance of the nails proximally, with a normal pink area distally. Seen in cirrhosis of the liver and certain other liver diseases. (Vera Pyle Eighth)
Does this apply in this patient? I am clueless about the Prayer sign. Could this possibly be Phalen's sign for carpal tunnel? Hope this is helpful.

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#5188 - 02/28/01 01:19 PM Re: Is it Prayer's Sign?
AnnR
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Registered: 12/31/69
Posts: 18413
Loc: Ocean Park WA
Paige, this site has a prayer sign, related to the hands: www.chiro.org/places/RC_SCHAFER/mono-18.htm

"Wartenberg's (Oriental Prayer) Sign. The patient is instructed to spread the hands out so that the palms face downward (the fingers are extended and the thumbs are adducted) then to raise the hands toward the face so that the palms appose. If the index fingers touch but the thumbs do not meet, paralysis of the abductor pollicis brevis is likely."

This is a chiropractic site, and Wheeless and others relate Wartenberg sign to little finger problems and ulnar nerve problems, so I am not sure, but I do think I have heard of a prayer sign before.

Later: A little further Google research turns up another "prayer sign" also called Reverse Phalen Sign (with the wrists in sharp extension, as with the hands together in prayer), as a median nerve sign.
So it sounds as if there is a bit of confusion about it.


[This message has been edited by AnnR (edited 02-28-2001).]

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#5189 - 02/28/01 01:26 PM Re: Is it Prayer's Sign?
Anonymous Unregistered



It's Tere's sign. The other may be Payr's sign.

Here are two great links... all the different signs and tests.
http://www.cagworld.com/medical/medical_tests.htm
http://www.tgisolutions.com/examfrm5.html

good luck.
M


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#5190 - 02/28/01 02:21 PM Re: Is it Prayer's Sign?
Rosa_Lea
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Registered: 11/23/99
Posts: 3307
Loc: Antioch TN USA
Stedman's Ortho book lists a prayer position and a Terry Thomas sign. Could either of these be what you hear? Maybe he's shortening the Terry Thomas sign to Terry.

Rosa Lea

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