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#4021 - 02/21/03 07:46 PM
Format question, Doe, John III ?
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Damren
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Registered: 06/25/02
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Loc: Maine
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It is the end of a long day and I just cannot remember this one, and cannot not find it in the BOS. From somewhere deep down I think that it should be Doe, John III but could use confirmation. Also, what is the III called? I cannot remember that one either, thus hampering my search. Braincramp. Thanks!
Heidi [ 02-21-2003: Message edited by: Damren ]
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#4022 - 02/21/03 10:37 PM
Re: Format question, Doe, John III ?
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AnnR
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Registered: 12/31/69
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Loc: Ocean Park WA
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I have always written Doe, John Jr. and I think III would follow the same format.
Doe III, John just looks strange to me (he is the third John, not the third Doe). I don't know what III would be called, other than "the third" (Like Henry VIII)[ 02-22-2003: Message edited by: AnnR ]
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#4023 - 02/21/03 11:23 PM
Re: Format question, Doe, John III ?
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mtag
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Registered: 07/09/01
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Loc: North AL
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The only thing I can find that is similar is in my Medical Transcription Guide...Do's and Don'ts; they give one example for comma usage in an inverted name, and they show
Kaufman, Neal J., M.D., FACPI don't know why any other notation that would normally follow the last name wouldn't be written the same way when inverting it. Clear as mud?
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#4024 - 02/22/03 09:13 AM
Re: Format question, Doe, John III ?
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Damren
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Registered: 06/25/02
Posts: 754
Loc: Maine
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Thank you both so much for your responses. I have both the Do's and Don'ts, as well as AAMT BOS, and I could not find a specific referrence in either. I did put Doe, John III and will let you know if I get any feedback on it. I also agree that Doe III, John looks funny and that he is the 3rd John not the 3rd Doe. I know that I have either seen it talked about here, or I have seen an example in print somewhere, but I cannot remember where. If anyone finds an example please share. Have a great day! Heidi
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#4025 - 02/22/03 01:52 PM
Re: Format question, Doe, John III ?
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RedSonya
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Registered: 03/27/99
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Loc: Standish, CA, USA
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Everyone's intuition would seem to be correct. I went back and checked my old records management textbook (Records Management, fifth edition). These are the instructions for filing, but since that is the reason we do last name, first name, etc., I think that in these cases, filing (indexing) rules have the same purpose as style rules! quote:
TITLES AND SUFFIXES
Personal Names
A title before a name (Dr., Miss, Mr., Mrs., Ms., Prof.), a seniority suffix (II, III, Jr., Sr.), or a professional suffix (CRM, DDS, Mayor, MD, PhD, Senator) after a name is the last indexing unit. Numeric suffixes (II, III) are filed before alphabetic suffixes (Jr., Mayor, Senator, Sr.). If a name contains both a title and a suffix, the title is the last unit.Royal and religious titles followed by either a given name or a surname only (Father Leo) are indexed and filed as written. Note: If a person's professional title comes after the name, it is referred to as a suffix; e.g., CPA, CRM, CMA, Senator. Doe, John III, MD (John Doe III, MD)
Wilson, John, Sr., CPA (John Wilson, Sr., CPA)
Wilson, Margaret Mary, Sister (Sister Margaret Mary Wilson) Punctuation is disregarded when indexing.
Here is a link to a site that has several more links to online grammar resources. It has come in handy for me on occasion. I did check a few of the style references, and they did agree with what we're all saying here. Grammar NOW! Scroll down to find the other links. 
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