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#3417 - 11/10/03 02:26 PM Medical Coding
tracielynn
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Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Houma, LA
hello, my name is Tracie, I am currently enrolled in a college for Medical Coding and we are almost finished. I live in Louisiana and the starting pay is not that great. It is from $7-8 an hour.(Non-Certified) We are scheldualed to take the CPC exam on Jan 31, and i was wondering what is the starting pay for certified coders in Louisiana and if it is worth paying $300 for the CPC exam???????
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#3418 - 11/11/03 10:22 PM Re: Medical Coding
Linda Andrews CMT Moderator
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Registered: 12/31/69
Posts: 5005
Loc: Oklahoma City, OK US
Tracie,

There should be local organizations in your area where you can network with fellow coders. That's the best way to find out the going rate in your area. Certainly, I think it's important to get that certification. I want my graduates to certify both as CCS through AHIMA and CPC through AAPC. In fact, two of them just announced on our private instructional board that they just passed the CCS-P certification exam.

I have seen statistics that show dramatically increased job options for those who are certified coders.

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#3419 - 11/17/03 01:45 PM Re: Medical Coding
tracielynn
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Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Houma, LA
Thank You for your comments. If anyone in Houma LA knows about any website for coders please e-mail me or leave a message on this board..
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#3420 - 11/17/03 10:30 PM Re: Medical Coding
law
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Registered: 10/06/99
Posts: 2938
Loc: Acts of God Theme Park
Well, I'm nowhere near Louisiana, but here's a site for sore eyes:

ICD-9 Diagnostic and Procedural Coding

You have to pay for CPT and HCPCS coding through this site, but it's great for diagnostic coding, especially for neoplasms or for ICD-9 procedural coding (which is needed for disability forms, at least here in California). You can access CPT and HCPCS coding if you upgrade Flash. You can enter by description and it will give you all sorts of options. Good for diagnostic coding for poisons or chemical overdose/reactions, too.

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#3421 - 11/22/03 11:55 AM Re: Medical Coding
tracielynn
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Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Houma, LA
I have a question.... We were taught in school about bundling and unbundling,,, well if a patient has a cast put on by his family physician, or the hospital and is referred back to the family physician,, and they go back like a month or two later to have it removed,, can that physican charge for the removal ???? we were taught no.. if it was the same physicain who put it on and took it off they cant charge for the removal,, well what if we know a physian who does??? as an employee should we correct them or just keep billing for it ???? please help

[ 11-22-2003: Message edited by: tracielynn ]

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#3422 - 11/22/03 02:43 PM Re: Medical Coding
law
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Registered: 10/06/99
Posts: 2938
Loc: Acts of God Theme Park
Initial closed or open treatment of a fracture is considered surgery and treated as such, with a certain amount of follow-up days. But that applies only to the "surgeon". If another doctor treats the patient afterward, it is a per-visit charge with the initial diagnosis (closed fracture of ___). Same with wound repair. There is a follow-up period, and suture removal is included in the initial repair UNLESS another doctor does the suture removal. That is coded as an office visit, with "open wound of..." as the diagnosis. There was a "postoperative management only" modifier, but I think that was tossed as being too general.

When a cast or strapping is applied after the initial treatment, that is listed separately and not included in the global fee for the initial treatment.

Years ago, there was an ophthalmologist in San Diego who advertised the "new laser removal of cataracts" (of course, the phrasing implied that there was some magical way of removing a cataract without an incision). He had scores of elderly people flocking down there...then he would send them home the same day to their own ophthalmologists. Of course, these ophthalmologists didn't have a clue until the patient called for a same-day appointment that they'd had cataract extractions. And the patients thought it was all included in the global fee, and were ticked off that a per-visit charge would ensue. And these patients very frequently had postoperative complications that their local ophtho would have to deal with...and a charge per visit until that problem was hopefully resolved. The San Diego doctor was soon put out of business. But yes, there are provisions for paid services by another doctor, necessary for ER follow-up, but only when the initial physician is different from the physician performing the follow-up. Otherwise, it's double-dipping. It is the surgeon or physician who performs the initial service that determines payment for subsequent services, not the location.

If you know of a physician who is billing just for the removal of a cast, the claims will simply be denied. But it's not really as simple as that...it will flag that doctor for scrutiny if he continues to do it. However, if the removal is followed by a replacement cast or strapping, the appropriate surgical code is used. If, during follow-up, any significant identifiable further service is provided, the appropriate E/M or surgical code is used with a modifier. But a significant service must be clearly charted...because it WILL be audited.

If you are asked consistently to charge for follow-up visits, take the denials to the manager and explain that this is not only a waste of time, but could alert payors to audit the physician. But say it very diplomatically...that's the hard part.

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#3423 - 11/22/03 03:47 PM Re: Medical Coding
tracielynn
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Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Houma, LA
Thank you for you reply.. i learned about the global paying and things and how if we dont code right we will get Audited,, i just wanted to make sure that i was right about the removal of the cast,, since it was the SAME physician who applied it,, it should have been included in the initial package deal
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#3424 - 11/22/03 06:27 PM Re: Medical Coding
toobsassie
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Registered: 04/15/03
Posts: 30
Loc: Louisiana
Hi tracielynn,
I'm a coding supervisor in Monroe, LA. The starting pay for hospital coders in the northern part of the state starts off at about $14 or $15/hr & goes up depending on education & experience.
Unless you have a RHIA or RHIT degree you'll probably have a hard time finding a coding job in Louisiana because there are so many health information management graduates in the state.
Have you checked the Lousiana Health Information Management Association website? They used to have a job board there & I imagine they still do.
If I can help you, let me know.
Best of luck to you!

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#3425 - 11/25/03 11:21 AM Re: Medical Coding
tracielynn
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Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 5
Loc: Houma, LA
toobsassie,,, what is the RHIA & RHIT ??
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#3426 - 11/27/03 09:42 PM Re: Medical Coding
toobsassie
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Registered: 04/15/03
Posts: 30
Loc: Louisiana
RHIA is a registered health information administrator (4 year Bachelor of Science degree & then you have to pass an exam to be credentialed) & a RHIT is registered health information technician (2 year associate of science degree & then you have to pass an exam to be credentialed).
Delgado Community College in New Orleans has a 2 yr program, the University of Lousisiana - Lafayette has a 2 & 4 year program, La. Tech in Ruston has a 2 & 4 year program, Hines Community College outside of Jackson, Ms has a program & I'm sure there are some more programs in LA. & the surrounding areas I'm forgetting to mention.
I believe the RHIT can be done through correspondance. I think there's also a university that does the RHIA through correspondance & then you have to go several weeks to school on their campus during the summers.
I've been working in Louisiana since 1983 & all the hospital coding positions I see advertised in the state require a RHIA or RHIT, if they also have the CCS credential then they normally get an additional pay increase for that. Physician offices may not require their coder to have RHIA or RHIT &/or CCS, however they usually pay much less than the hospitals.
Physician offices also usually have their coders performing many other tasks in addition to doing the coding unless it's a large practice.

[ 11-28-2003: Message edited by: toobsassie ]

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