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#100994 - 06/20/08 12:20 PM Pump alternative? How about natural gas?
MattsKat
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What is WRONG with us -- ("us" meaning those of us who don't have stock in an oil company) -- when alternative fuel is readily available and the technology is already here?

This recent article from MSNBC says there are 130,000 vehicles in the U.S. running on natural gas (mostly buses), and *little* countries like Argentina, Pakistan and Brazil have 1,400,000 natural gas vehicles on their roads.

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While nations like Argentina, Pakistan and Brazil all have more than 1.4 million natural gas vehicles on the road, it's been more difficult to increase the U.S. usage numbers because, until recently, oil prices in the U.S. were relatively inexpensive, said David Gelman, the vice president of New West Technologies, who has been involved in the alternative fuel industry since 1985.

"There's no question now that the majority of the applications for natural gas now are still in centralized fleets," Gelman said.

"For us to deal with this issue, everybody has got to change their mind-set that you're going to have one fuel choice. The idea is, you might have five or six. The question is, which one makes sense for which part of the country, which one makes sense for which type of application."



Compressed natural gas (CNG) is win-win-win:
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"Natural gas vehicles help achieve three major public policy goals simultaneously," Kolodziej said. "They produce less greenhouse gases, reduce air pollution and displace the use of foreign oil, and CNG is far cheaper than gasoline or diesel fuel."


Again, what is WRONG with us that we're not demanding some changes, not 10 or 20 years from now but NOW?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24792464/wid/18298287/
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#100996 - 06/20/08 12:33 PM Re: Pump alternative? How about natural gas? [Re: MattsKat]
tropsicleAfter
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Well, of course, there is the fact that compressed natural gas, like propane, tends to explode magnificently in crashes. As a commodity, if we accomplish some wholesale switch to natural gas to fuel our vehicles, the price of that commodity would soar, as it always does in economies based on supply and demand. Then, there is the initial cost of purchasing a vehicle capable of working on natural gas - your article references the only model available in the US as costing $6000 more than the comparable gas-powered model. Add in the $2000 home refuling station (and security for same), and all of a sudden switching over is not very economically viable. I don't know many people that could make that switch NOW, as you put it.
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#101006 - 06/20/08 01:37 PM Re: Pump alternative? How about natural gas? [Re: tropsicleAfter]
MattsKat
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So don't buy a new car (even though you'd get a big tax credit)... Get a retrofit kit. Where's Harry when I need him? I think the Indian government was offering low- or no-interest loans for retrofitting gasoline to CNG. Or consider the bi-fuel option. Like the guy in the MSNBC article says, it's a lot about changing your mindset. Unless you don't mind being under the thumb of the M.E., of course...


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Vehicle Safety

Natural gas vehicles are just as safe as today's conventional gasoline and diesel vehicles. They use pressurized tanks, which have been designed to withstand severe impact, high external temperatures, and environmental exposure.

http://www.1-houston-autos.com/used_car_news/blog.php?BlogID=31



I live in San Diego County, where a lot of the buses and garbage trucks are fueled with CNG, and I truly can't remember the last time one of them exploded.
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#101007 - 06/20/08 01:46 PM Re: Pump alternative? How about natural gas? [Re: MattsKat]
tropsicleAfter
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When are you buying yours?
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#101016 - 06/20/08 03:23 PM Re: Pump alternative? How about natural gas? [Re: tropsicleAfter]
Bellatrix
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Here's a pump alternative: Actually ride the bus.
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#101017 - 06/20/08 03:30 PM Re: Pump alternative? How about natural gas? [Re: tropsicleAfter]
MattsKat
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Registered: 11/28/04
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When am I buying a retrofit kit? or a CNG car? Actually, if I ever actually went anywhere, I would take a long hard look at CNG or bi-fuel, but right now my two *contributions* to global warming and dealing with the SoCal gas crunch are working from home and driving a sensible 2001 Civic with not quite 22,000 miles on it -- (told ya I don't go anywhere!) If/when I buy a new car, it will definitely be a hybrid.
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